My name is Benjamin Nobel, and I’d like to welcome you to the Rare Comics Blog!
Below you will find a list of my latest posts by category, followed by a welcome/introduction which I would encourage you to read if this is the first time you’ve landed here.
Articles & Resources
There are three known instances of Type 1A cover price variants: (1) Canadian Price Variants (2) Australian Price Variants, and (3) Pence Price Variants.
Also see: General Comics Topics; Newsstand Comics; TMNT; Spawn; Savage Dragon.
General Comic Book Topics
11/2015 – My manifesto: Rare Comics To Collect [ companion slideshow ]
6/2016 – Star Wars #1-4 35¢ Cover — Also, Other Price Variants You DIDN’T Know Existed! [Related slideshow: 10 Overlooked Star Wars Comics To Rival 35 Cent Variants]
12/2016 – An Open Letter To Overstreet [C’mon guys, well past time to break out newsstand comics in the guide, especially 1980’s cover price variants]
2/2017 – Lists of Key Comic Books by Year [2021 update]
3/2017 – Future classic cover contenders: 7 Variants Destined For Future Classic Cover Status [ companion cover swipes slideshow ]
4/2017 – X-Men Annual #14 (1st Gambit Debate)
12/2017 – CGC 9.8 Census Comparison: 1970’s Keys vs. 1980’s Keys
7/2018 – The “Cover Swipe Test”: 2 More Price Variant Keys Passing It
8/2018 – How Many Amazing Spider-Man Stan Lee CGC SS Books Exist? [11/30/2018 update: How Many Stan Lee CGC Signature Series Books Exist?]
9/2018 – 6 Epic CGC Labeling Blunders Of Price Variant Comics And What We Can Learn From Them
12/2019 – No Month Variants / Pre-Pack Editions / Whitman 3-Pack Variants
4/2020 – Collecting Comics During The Coronavirus Pandemic
3/2021 – Lists Of Key Comics By Year/Decade (Now with label notes included!)
4/2021 – Will NFTs Be Part Of The Future Of Comic Book Collecting?
6/2021 – The Overstreet Grading Guide, Staple Replacement, and ASM 238 Tattooz
12/2021 – Saga of the Swamp Thing: 1st John Constantine Appearance
Newsstand Comics
11/2015 – Comic Book Newsstand Editions: Understanding The Difference
6/2016 – Wolverine Limited Series #1 — Where Are The Newsstand Copies??
6/2016 – Strange but true: Amazing Spider-Man / Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man / Sensational Spider-Man
6/2016 – Newsstand Vs. Direct Edition Comics
8/2016 – Newsstand Variants, $3.99 Newsstand Editions, and The Doc Collection [Also see: $2.29 and $2.49 price variants for Amazing Spider-Man v2 #10, #11, & #13]
9/2016 – Newsstand Rarity Discussions & Estimates
1/2017 – Darker Image #1 — Newsstand $1.95 Cover Price Variant (1st Maxx Appearance)
2/2017 – People are noticing newsstand comics! The WordPress stats page tells me that someone found my blog today by searching the web on the phrase “why are newsstand comics worth more?” … They have asked a great question — so I put up a new page to answer that exact question! 🙂 [Related: “Nice book, too bad it’s a direct edition”]
4/2017 – Daredevil #21, $3.99 Newsstand Edition (Superior Spider-Man Cameo)
4/2017 – Applause to CBCS Now Recognizing Newsstand Comics!
5/2017 – What If Venom Possessed Deadpool? What If There Was A Rare Cover Price Variant?
5/2017 – What If Venom Possessed Wolverine? (New Avengers #35, $3.99 Newsstand Edition)
5/2017 – DC Rebirth, $3.99 Newsstand Editions
6/2017 – $2.99 Newsstand Edition CGC Census Variants, and, “Partial Cover Price Variations” $1.99 Newsstands Too!
6/2017 – 30 More Newsstand Census Variants Confirmed at CGC Since Year-End
7/2017 – Amazing Spider-Man #400: Understanding The Real Newsstand Edition
8/2017 – Applause To CPG Accepting $3.99 Cover Price Variants Into The Price Guide!
4/2019 – Marvel Annual Newsstand Numbering: Uncanny X-Men
[7/2019 — check out these cool finds courtesy of Kurt Halvorsen including newsstand issues with bar-code-on-the-front similar to Amazing Spider-Man v2 #36, finds among Marvel’s 70th Anniversary Magazines, as well as Daredevil Volume 2, Marvel Knights, Citizen V, Hulk Smash, and Banner!]
5/2020 – Applause To CBCS Releasing Their Census!
5/2020 – Newsstand Rarity By Year: CBCS Census
7/2020 – That Newsstand Comic You Didn’t Know You Owned May Be Worth Over $8000
2/2021 – CBCS Population Report: A Quick Guide To Understanding Newsstand, Direct, and CPV Census Numbers
3/2021 – Spider-Man #1 (1990): Newsstand Variants Versus The Rest
10/2021 – First Appearance of Spider-Man 2099: Don’t Forget Web #90!
9/2022 – Applause To CGC Now Recognizing Newsstand (And Multi-Pack) Comics!
Canadian Price Variants
4/2016 – 75 Cent Variants (Canadian Newsstand Editions)
6/2016 – A practical guide: Canadian Price Variants — How To Spot Them
6/2016 – D.C. Comics “Canadian Editions” — Likely Only 2-7% [ May 2019 update: CGC announced that as of May 6, 2019, they will label as “Canadian Price Variant” instead of “Canadian Edition” going forward 🙂 ]
6/2016 – Slideshow: Rare 1980’s Price Variants To Collect
7/2016 – The 75¢ Price Puzzle: Parallels To 35¢ Variants
12/2016 – Wow, just 1-2% of CGC graded #252 copies for a decade and a half: Amazing Spider-Man #252 75¢ “Canadian Edition” Variant: CGC Census Rarity Over Time
12/2016 – Marvel Graphic Novel #4 — $5.95 Cover Price Variant (1st New Mutants Appearance)
4/2017 – 95¢ and $1.00 DC Price Variants: How Do We Know What They Are?
4/2017 – 66 New Canadian Price Variants Confirmed at CGC Since Year-End, a 16% Increase
8/2017 – The Orange Cat Phenomenon (and Canadian Price Variants)
10/2017 – The 2018 Price Guide for 1980’s Marvel & DC Newsstand Canadian Cover Price Variants (Type 1A)
10/2017 – Amazing Spider-Man #238: The Tattooz Situation
10/2017 – “Canadian Edition” vs. “Canadian Price Variant”
11/2017 – Our Type 1A Price Guide Featured In Scoop! [And again for our 2019 edition!]
2/2018 – Investing in Canadian Price Variants: 11 Tips
4/2018 – Three Variants That Surprised Me
6/2018 – Voltron #1-3, Type 1A $1.00 Cover Price Variants
6/2018 – Incremental Improvement to CGC’s “Canadian Edition” Labeling [5/2019 update: Another, even better, improvement was just announced by CGC!]
10/2018 – Applause To CBCS’s New “75¢ Canadian Price Variant” Labeling
10/2018 – The 2019 Price Guide for 1980’s Marvel & DC Newsstand Canadian Cover Price Variants (Type 1A)
10/2018 – Canadian Price Variants: Noteworthy Sales
10/2018 – Two Ways To Win Update [ from our 2019 Guide’s new Market Reports & Articles section — don’t miss the other great original articles there! ]
1/2019 – Archie Canadian/Pence Price Variants and the Betty’s Diary #36 Mystery
1/2019 – Gladstone Canadian Price Variants
3/2019 – ThunderCats #1 True Canadian Price Variant vs. 75¢ “Logo” Copies
6/2019 – Archie Canadian Price Variants
8/2019 – CPV Discussions In Overstreet #49 Market Reports
11/2019 – Top 100 Variants of the 2020 CPV Price Guide
5/2020 – Applause To CBCS Releasing Their Census!
8/2020 – Whitman 1984 Canadian Price Variants
8/2020 – The Story of the Wawa Collection
12/2020 – Top 100 Variants of the 2021 CPV Price Guide
12/2020 – List of 1st Appearances (& 2nd) in the 2021 CPV Price Guide
12/2020 – Top CGC Grades For Top Canadian Price Variants
2/2021 – CBCS Population Report: A Quick Guide To Understanding Newsstand, Direct, and CPV Census Numbers
11/2021 – CPVs: The Even Rarer Newsstand Choice
2024 CPV Price Guide Launched
As part of our latest price guide to Newsstand Canadian Price Variant comics, we have a robust Market Reports & Articles section with market reports and articles contributed by guide collaborators as well as outside contributors. These reports & articles each represent the views of the individual authors. Below, click any report title to read the full article. For convenience, prior years’ articles are included; new articles published subsequent to last year’s guide are denoted with: “
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From Pandemic Boom to Bust in ComicsBy Bill Alexander — “In reality all sales prices appear to be returning to what they once were in January of 2020 right before sales prices went nuts …” [ continue reading » ]
2023, A Period of AdjustmentBy Tim Bildhauser — “The market for CPVs doesn’t look to have been as drastically affected as the comic market overall …” [ continue reading » ]
2023 PNJ Comics Canadian Price Variant Market ReportBy Paul Clairmont — “Prices came crashing down hard and fast on 99% of the comic book market …” [ continue reading » ]
Marvel UK Price Variants: My Part in Their DownfallBy Stephen Cranch — “A rare book with a nice acquisition story. It doesn’t get much better than that …” [ continue reading » ]
Canadian Price Variants (CPVs) and GPAnalysis.com (2023 Update)By Greg Holland — “The year-to-date 2023 average CGC sales prices for the top 100 books with a CPV have reflected multipliers of: CGC 9.8 – 2.3x; CGC 9.6 – 1.8x; CGC 9.4 – 1.7x; CGC 9.2 – 1.4x …” [ continue reading » ]
Canadian Price Variants (CPVs) and the CGC Census (2023 Update)By Greg Holland — “The CGC Census reported percentages of CPV books for Marvel and D.C. Comics in the 1980s is currently 2.7% and 3.0%, respectively …” [ continue reading » ]
Newly Added CGC First Appearance Label CreditsBy Benjamin Nobel — “Five important issues CGC changed, plus three they should …” [ continue reading » ]
Is It Time to Stop Looking and Start Buying?By Angelo Virone — “I cannot tell you how many times I track books I want to buy and later discover that they settled in the USA …” [ continue reading » ]
By Bill Alexander — “Now is a great time to buy key CPV books in high certified grade at incredibly low bargain prices …” [ continue reading » ]
By Bill Alexander — “The gap between certified 9.6 and 9.8 books in what they sell for, is still continuing to grow wider and wider. At comic book auction houses, I have noticed that some certified 9.8 graded copies of popular key books are sometimes …” [ continue reading » ]
By Bill Alexander — “It appears there has been a big noticeable increase in demand for newsstand edition comics versus direct edition comics especially with certified 9.8 grade comics published from 1979 on …” [ continue reading » ]
By Bill Alexander — “I have noticed a continuing widening gap in sales prices between certified 9.6 graded comics and certified 9.8 graded comics that are of the same issue number. …” [ continue reading » ]
By Bill Alexander, Salvatore Miceli, and Benjamin Nobel — “Everyone knows about Marvel’s 35¢ cover price variants from 1977 (Type 1), but few know that Harvey published 35¢ Type 1A cover price variants in 1974… and 1973… and 1972… and… ” [ continue reading » ]
By Bill Alexander and James Gilbreath — “2018 saw many record breaking and high end sales for Canadian price variants in the hobby …” [ continue reading » ]
By Tim Bildhauser — “The comparison that comes to mind, at least for me, is that in the middle of the chaos, the CPV market turned out to be the CD of the investment market as opposed to openly traded stocks …” [ continue reading » ]
By Tim Bildhauser — “Much like the rest of the comic market I believe we’re seeing the threshold begin to lower in terms of what constitutes an acceptable grade. Collectors are realizing that there are some CPVs that are out of their price range in the higher grades …” [ continue reading » ]
By Tim Bildhauser — “This year we saw unprecedented sales, some of which were record highs and others that are so consistent that they firmly established the fact that mainstream collectors have accepted and embraced CPVs as an unquestionably legitimate part of the hobby …” [ continue reading » ]
By Tim Bildhauser — “Regardless of which perspective one may have about CPVs, there’s no doubt and no denying that they’re becoming a greater force in the mainstream of comic collecting …” [ continue reading » ]
By Tim Bildhauser — “One of the main styles of collecting comics, that is growing in popularity, is assembling what is referred to as a set …” [ continue reading » ]
By Paul Clairmont — “It was not easy to predict what would become more expensive because conventional economics didn’t drive pricing in collectibles during the pandemic and especially in a niche area such as Canadian Price Variants …” [ continue reading » ]
By Paul Clairmont — “People need to remember the distribution channels for these books was not speciality shops with owners wearing white gloves carefully laying them out for the fine art crowd to come and carefully handle. These books were stuffed into unforgiving newsstands and spinner racks in convenience stores and grocery stores with employees unloading them with the same care as tossing tin cans of corn onto a store shelf …” [ continue reading » ]
By Paul Clairmont — “If you can achieve being first to market with the highest certified copy of even a semi-key book you can almost set your price …” [ continue reading » ]
By Paul Clairmont — “Here is a simple and very common-sense approach to understand the scarcity of Canadian Price Variant comics …” [ continue reading » ]
By Stephen Cranch — “They’re not the easiest set of variants to collect and some appear to be quite scarce. I love Charlton myself, so will be slowly picking off those remaining books until I hopefully one day complete the set …” [ continue reading » ]
By Walter Durajlija and Jay Halstead — “Can you believe, with how hot this book has been, that it’s now been almost 4 years since an Amazing Spider-Man #238 CPV has sold in 9.8? …” [ continue reading » ]
By Walter Durajlija — “I would advise collectors in Canada to zoom out and keep the ‘big picture’ in mind when it comes to Type 1A variant scarcity …” [ continue reading » ]
By James Gilbreath — “The disrespect is real. But why? …” [ continue reading » ]
By James Gilbreath — “The CPV window was open for a considerable period of time and encompassed an incredibly fertile period of game changing imagination and innovation in the industry. There are so many keys to choose from during this era, a more detailed examination is called for …” [ continue reading » ]
By James Gilbreath — “Once a niche topic, CPV discussion has exploded on comic forums everywhere in the last few years …” [ continue reading » ]
By Jay Halstead — “I’ve always felt Spidey and Star Wars are the two easiest CPV’s to find, as it should be, as these were immensely popular titles during that time. But in high grade, most of the Star Wars CPVs are still extremely elusive …” [ continue reading » ]
By Jay Halstead — “Bob Overstreet used to preach the slow and steady approach, which I’m not a huge fan of, when a book goes up and is trading for a higher amount, my feeling is that the book should show significant upward momentum in my survey. But unlike Bob who rarely went backwards on values, we are a small unit who still are early enough into this where we can make corrections where need be …” [ continue reading » ]
By Greg Holland — “The year-to-date 2022 average CGC sales prices for the top 100 books with a CPV have reflected multipliers of: CGC 9.8 – 2.4x; CGC 9.6 – 2.0x; CGC 9.4 – 1.6x; CGC 9.2 – 1.2x …” [ continue reading » ]
By Greg Holland — “The CGC Census reported percentages of CPV books for Marvel and D.C. Comics in the 1980s is currently 2.7% and 2.9%, respectively …” [ continue reading » ]
By Tony LeBlanc — “I started classifying comics as CPVs about 12 years ago. At first, I was surprised to see that roughly 80% of all my sales were predominantly from fellow Canadians. Now that CPVs are more mainstream, I would estimate that about 65% of my CPV sales goes to the States and this percentage continues to rise …” [ continue reading » ]
By Jon McClure — “I have long argued that Type 1A variants of all eras would climb in interest due to scarcity …” [ continue reading » ]
By Jon McClure — “It’s been a fun and challenging ride so far, and I think it’s just getting started for Type 1a Variants, so sit back and enjoy the fireworks …” [ continue reading » ]
By Salvatore Miceli — “With all the recent talk of a planned sequel for the Beetlejuice movie this line of six issues is likely to have the biggest potential rise in value of all the 90’s Harvey comics that they released …” [ continue reading » ]
By Salvatore Miceli — “The demand for Gladstone, Archie and Harveys are still in its infancy. The growth potential in CPV values for these 3 publishers is massive in my personal opinion especially given that most 30-40 year olds are familiar enough with most of the properties to feel comfortable and nostalgic enough to begin investing in them …” [ continue reading » ]
By Jayden Mitchell — “In many cases, that is the deciding factor in my opinion: the availability of certain books, regardless of their significance, is the driving factor in their value …” [ continue reading » ]
By Jayden Mitchell — “We have become known for our selection of Canadian Price Variants & intend to continue expanding our CPV inventory …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “Even though this is a Type 1B price variant, "thinking Type 1A" is how I actually found one myself …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “Long-time readers may already be familiar with Jon McClure’s once-"controversial" stance on the Tattooz inside of Amazing Spider-Man #238, with Jon advocating that their absence should not cause an "INCOMPLETE" label …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “I attribute a lot of the growth in our guide’s website usage to one of the "mega-trends" that has been slowly unfolding in our hobby: investment grade newsstand comics from the copper and modern ages have slowly but surely …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “In today’s age of an endless supply of ‘manufactured-rarity’ retailer incentive variants we could choose to take home, many of which collectors are asked to shell out $25-$50+ to own, it is so nice by contrast to have a universe of ‘naturally-occurring’ Type 1A price variants within the world of 1980’s (and 1990’s) newsstand comics …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “These are Quite Rare in High Grade, with 9.2 copies worth $75.00 or more each …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “A lot of the big DC Canadian Price Variant comics are shockingly hard to find compared against Marvel …” [ continue reading » ]
By Benjamin Nobel — “When collecting any given key comic book issue, it is better to have two ways to win, than just one …” [ continue reading » ]
By Philip Standhart and Craig Foxhoven — “When he opened the door, Craig and I were speechless …” [ continue reading » ]
By Doug Sulipa — “This year I’ve provided guide values for each of the Harvey CPVs … ” [ continue reading » ]
By Doug Sulipa — “Since these are KIDS comics, very few exist in 9.0 or better, with Almost NO Copies Yet Graded by CGC … ” [ continue reading » ]
By Doug Sulipa — “Canadian Newsstand Cover Price VARIANT editions, were easily our #1 bestselling VARIANTS of the year … ” [ continue reading » ]
By Angelo Virone — “A growing segment of the collecting community is discovering the desirability and true scarcity of CPV’s and now they want to own a piece of the pie …” [ continue reading » ]
By Angelo Virone — “I predict with confidence, if the economy holds up, Key CPV’s will break many more records given that new collectors as well as seasoned ones, not yet into this space, develop a better understanding of their true potential …” [ continue reading » ]
By Angelo Virone — “Given the fact that regular newsstand copies for key Copper and Modern age books are now selling at multiples to their direct edition counterparts, I strongly believe and predict that KEY CPV’s in the highest grades are presently under-valued as newsstand price variants because they are the scarcest of the first printings …” [ continue reading » ]
By Angelo Virone — “It’s interesting to see well known collectors who never fully got into Canadian Price Variant comics now entering the space paying big bucks for top graded key issues … ” [ continue reading » ]
By Angelo Virone and Benjamin Nobel — “The Quebec Effect definitely would have had some noteworthy directional impact on the "big picture" rarity characteristics for Canadian Price Variant comics … ” [ continue reading » ]
By Angelo Virone — “Introducing my personal method when investing: I call it my ‘Comic Score Card‘ … “
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Australian Price Variants
1/2017 – New Mutants #98 — $1.50 Cover Price Variant (1st Deadpool Appearance) [ related definition: Type 1A Price Variants ]
5/2017 – AUS Price Variants (Australian Newsstand Editions)
9/2019 – Part III! Australian Price Variants (“APVs”)
10/2021 – First Appearance of Spider-Man 2099: Don’t Forget Web #90!
Pence Price Variants
TMNT
7/2011 – Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 (first print 1984)
7/2011 – Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #3 (NYCC variant)
7/2011 – Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #4 (misprint)
7/2011 – Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 (2009 Color Special Error Edition)
2/2014 – Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles v2 #13 (Error Edition)
8/2015 – How To Draw Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 (Manufacturing Error)
9/2015 – Creed / Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 Blue/Bronze Subscriber Edition
7/2016 – 1st Appearance of Krang in Comics
5/2018 – Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures: VideoMedia and Archie
Spawn
11/2015 – Spawn #1 Black & White Edition Variant
11/2015 – Spawn/The Savage Dragon #1 (1996)
11/2015 – Rust #1 Limited Edition (Pre-dates Spawn #1 and Malibu Sun #13)
12/2015 – Spawn #9 Newsstand Edition (1st Angela)
1/2016 – Spawn Batman Newsstand Edition
1/2016 – Spawn #1 Newsstand Edition
5/2016 – Spawn Newsstand Values Pulling Away From Direct Edition
Savage Dragon
10/2015 – Graphic Fantasy #1 (First appearance of the “original” Savage Dragon)
1/2016 – Graphic Fantasy #2
11/2015 – Savage Dragon #30 Newsstand Edition (As Seen on TV Variant)
11/2015 – Savage Dragon #10 Newsstand Variant
1/2016 – Savage Dragon #102 (Invincible First Appearance)
1/2016 – Savage Dragon #1/2 w/Platinum Stamp
2/2016 – Savage Dragon #137 (1st Obama Cover)
2/2016 – Savage Dragon Limited Series #1 Newsstand Edition
7/2016 – 1st Appearance of Savage Dragon
Welcome & Introduction
Hi, thanks for stopping by!
I started blogging about Rare Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Comics in 2011, then created a blog for Rare Spawn Comics and Rare Savage Dragon Comics — with these characters ranking among my favorite all-time comic book superheroes outside of the Marvel universe and DC universe. 🙂
The format of those blogs has been to profile specific rare and interesting (and hence valuable and/or highly collectible) comics. For example, I profiled Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 (May 1984) which is the most highly valued and collectible TMNT comic book of all time, with a print run of just 3,000 copies and featuring the first appearance of the turtles (that blog entry also touches upon Gobbledygook, which was hand-produced on a Xerox photocopier on legal-size paper folded in half and stapled by hand).
I have also profiled the little-known comic Graphic Fantasy #1 (1982) which was a pre-Megaton fanzine self-published by Erik Larsen with a print run of just several hundred copies and containing the first appearance of the “original” incarnation of Savage Dragon. On account of being so incredibly scarce and therefore nearly invisible, the industry completely overlooked it for years and credited Megaton #2/3 with the key first character appearance… But recently some copies of Graphic Fantasy were graded and the CGC “1st appearance credits” for Savage Dragon comics were re-considered and are now allocated differently than they’d been before.
On the Spawn blog I have profiled such comics as the Spawn #1 “Black & White Edition” (1997) which had a print run on the order of 3,100 copies and Rust #1 “Special Limited Edition” (April 1992) which had a restricted print run believed to be limited to 10,000 copies and features a pre-Spawn-#1 full page black & white pin-up by Todd McFarlane to promote the upcoming release of Spawn #1 — that pin-up featuring a sketch of the artwork later used for the cover of Spawn #2, and including a “prototype” Spawn logo that was later tossed aside in favor of the logo ultimately used in the series.
For this blog, I will post about general comic book collecting “themes” that I find to be particularly interesting — like newsstand vs. direct edition comics — and over time I will also profile specific comics outside of Spawn, Savage Dragon, or the TMNT. This blog is also now the home for the hobby’s very first online comic book price guide for Type 1A 1980’s newsstand cover price variants from Marvel & DC.
A recurring “theme” I will return to often in the Savage Dragon and Spawn blogs, is that when Image Comics made its debut in 1992, the Newsstand Distribution Channel for comic books in general was already in major decline. To attain any newsstand distribution against that backdrop was a challenge for Image; collectors would learn in 2013 that Image sold only on the order of 1% of their comics on newsstands versus 99% direct sold to comic shops.
This ratio for Image already creates a disparity in rarity that is critical for collecting early Image keys (where collectors should arguably clearly prefer the newsstand copies which have UPC codes on them — the prevalent direct edition copies lack these UPC codes). But equally interesting is that the challenging nature of newsstand distribution led Image to elect manufacturing choices for their newsstand print runs that in some cases were different from their direct edition print runs — in other words, the newsstand print runs were often produced differently!
These differences were likely to control costs, with choices such as manufacturing the newsstand copies with cheap newsprint paper instead of glossy; or different thickness paper for the cover; or omitting special features like centerfold posters. As a result of these manufacturing differences — when they occurred — CGC treats such newsstand copies as distinct “variants” on the CGC census. Meaning we can actually study some data on how many of each type (direct edition and newsstand) have been graded!
And in addition to manufacturing differences, there are other “special situations” where CGC breaks out newsstand versions as distinct variants on census. You may see CGC graded comics that say “Newsstand Edition” but also “Canadian Price Variant” — and most recently you will find Newsstand Variants and $3.99/$4.99 Newsstand Editions (that last variant category — a “class” of cover price variants — only being created/recognized at CGC in 2016).
I believe that when collecting comics, it is better to have two ways to win, than just one. When there is a more rare version of a given comic available, but the more rare version is priced with little to no premium due to lack of awareness among other collectors, I want that more rare version instead of the prevalent one… Because if you can obtain the more rare version for similar cost, then you have two ways to win instead of one: the issue number itself may rise in value, and the rarity premium may grow if collectors come to recognize it in the future — much like what happened with 35 cent variants, which were broadly overlooked as a “class” of comics before 1998.
Relative value: that’s what I look for, that’s what intrigues me most, and that’s what I enjoy writing about. Thanks for visiting, and as you read any of my posts, if you have additional information you can add to the discussion that I missed, please do so in the comment section either on the post in question or here on the main page — I continue to be humbled and amazed at how much I learn from readers! 🙂
– Ben
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Hi Everyone, just wanted to let you know about some really amazing CPV’s on the ComicLink auction that start ending next week. Feel free to click the link and see for yourself.
https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/search.asp?where=sell&title=canadian&ItemType=CB&CGC=
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Two ASM 238 CPVs in CGC 9.8 ended at auction this month with two drastically different price outcomes. One was listed on Heritage and included the “NEWSSTAND” keyword in the listing title, and the other was listed on ComicLink and EXCLUDED the “NEWSSTAND” keyword… In other words if you searched Heritage on “Newsstand 9.8” or “Amazing Spider-Man 238 Newsstand” (or similar searches with “newsstand” included) then the CPV listed there WOULD have come up in your search results; however if you had conducted the identical search on ComicLink the CPV there would NOT have come up in the search results. Take a look at the outcome below. Is Heritage “just that good” or was the huge difference in price due in part to the fact that the CPV on ComicLink was effectively “invisible” to all those newsstand-focused buyers out there conducting refined searches around the “newsstand” keyword?
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Will there be an updated pence price guide? The only I found by accident was published in 2018. I have enjoyed everyone’s due diligence in creating the CPV Price guide since its first edition. I enjoy reading your reports on CPV and related variant price covers.
One suggestion. Is it possible to categorize your reports based on the year each report was published? I would think it would easier to find the latest reports and even compare past reports.
Thank you everyone.
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Thanks for the updated guide! Did you happen to notice the huge jump in CPV copies in 9.8 for Alpha Flight 1? It is up to 78 graded issues! This equates to CPVs making up an abnormally high 5.5% of the 9.8s (78 out of 1409 9.8 copies) for Alpha Flight 1. Comparing these numbers to a more heavily submitted book (Amazing Spider-Man 252) there are only 48 CPV 9.8s out of 1900 books or 2.5% for ASM 252.
The resulting total percentage of all grades of cpvs for Alpha Flight 1 almost doubled from 3.8% (70 out of 1853) the last time I looked a couple years ago. The total CPV is now 6.7% for this book (280 out of 1451). Any thoughts on this or where this group of 9.8s came from? Could there be more large hordes of 9.8s of other CPV books that haven’t been graded? It would certainly weaken the theory that there is a rarity of CPV 9.8s.
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Thanks Jason! It is an interesting situation in that Alpha Flight was promoted with a strong emphasis on being the new Canadian superheroes team and in turn may have been much more heavily collected locally within Canada compared to the typical Marvel title, especially that #1 issue; couple that with all the recent buzz about a possible upcoming MCU movie and it makes sense to expect the best-grade copies would out of the woodwork and be sent off to CGC. If a dealer was sitting on multiples and waiting for the right time to be armed with 9.8’s at the moment any good news hits, it seems like this ongoing buzz would be the moment they’ve been waiting for? I think this below may have been the tweet that set all the speculation in motion, from 2020 from someone at Knight Edge Media:
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Ohh, now it makes sense. I hadn’t heard the movie buzz. Thank you!
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Hi everyone, I’ve got two updates to share with you today.
First up: Sal Miceli just sent me something really exciting — the first-known documentation straight from a publisher (that I for one have ever seen at least, to date) breaking out the Canada sales numbers for a comic book where we know the Canadian market received a CPV version instead of the regular version… We’ve got these numbers documented for two comic books, in fact, The Spirit issues #1 and #2.
Apparently, the reason the below document was created was to document royalty payments owed, and fortunately for collectors it spells out the exact number of copies sold by country for the United States, Canada, Australia, and South Africa, for issues #1 & #2. The UK is left out — so I suppose that means either no sales were made there, or the royalty agreement did not include the UK for whatever reason. Here is a picture of the document below and here is a tinyurl link to the source material which was posted on Facebook and also includes a letter from Will Eisner to Leon Harvey: https://tinyurl.com/2wj75sm6
OK so what are we looking at here? For Spirit #1 we see these numbers:
United States: 76,621
Canada: 5,580
Australia: 15,600
South Africa: 3,600
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Grand Total: 101,401
North America subtotal: 82,201
I calculated the North America subtotal by adding together the US and Canada sales numbers. We know that Canada received 35 cent cover price variant copies, instead of 25 cent copies. Which means, the now-known-and-documented CPV sales percentages for this specific issue would be as follows:
CPV % of total = 5,580 / 101,401 = 5.5%
CPV % of North America total = 5,580 / 82,201 = 6.8%
Next, for Sprit #2:
United States: 59,837
Canada: 3,732
Australia: 12,000
South Africa: 3,600
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Total: 79,169
North America subtotal: 63,569
Which means, for issue #2:
CPV % of total = 3,732 / 79,169 = 4.7%
CPV % of North America total = 3,732 / 63,569 = 5.9%
Very neat indeed to have documented proof of CPV relative rarity for these two issues! Courtesy of Sal here’s pictures of the Spirit #1 and #2 CPVs, which have 35 cent cover prices instead of the regular 25 cents:
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Next topic: Next I wanted to share an update about CGC’s roll-out of its “Newsstand Edition” labeling. For those of us who have been submitting newsstand books post-CGC’s-announcement, several of us have noticed that CGC has apparently implemented their “Newsstand Edition” labeling roll-out using the “Pedigree” data-field: the slab labels themselves look just as if “Newsstand Edition” was the Variant name, but when you actually look up a book by certification number you can see this is not the case. Here’s an example: Incredible Hulk #377 (I love that Dale Keown & Bob McLeod future-classic-cover-contender!)…
As you can see this is a newsstand copy, and the label shows “Newsstand Edition” exactly as we’d expect it to look, but as it turns out, CGC has not actually created a new census entry for the above book — one giveaway to this fact is that the “key comments note” on the right side of the label says, ‘Direct Sales have “Tiger Electronics” insert included.’ Here’s a close-up of the label:
Why on Earth would a newsstand-labeled book have a special note on it pertaining to the completely-separate Direct Edition/Direct Sales version?!? That seems both unnecessary and confusing; and the reason for it is that they have not actually created a separate variant census entry for newsstand copies of the issue with its own issue notes… Instead, they’ve utilized the “Pedigree” field for the “Newsstand Edition” notation and categorized it under the regular/main census entry for issue #377. Here’s a screenshot of the Verification Lookup page for the above book to illustrate what I mean:
See how the circled Newsstand Edition wording is under the “Pedigree” data field? Illustrating the data-field difference even better, below here’s another example, for a book that has both a Variant field utilized and the Pedigree field utilized (this being a Web of Spider-Man #90 newsstand copy that was submitted inside its sealed polybag and thus was categorized under the “Polybagged Edition” census variant entry, but was also a newsstand copy as opposed to a direct edition, and so CGC also utilized the Pedigree field to denote the Newsstand Edition information):
Here’s how that combined information ends up looking on the label for Web of Spider-Man #90 (true first appearance of Spider-Man 2099):
So what’s the problem? Perhaps you’re reading this and wondering, “so? They’re still labeling it distinctly as a Newsstand Edition just like they promised, so what’s the actual problem here?” And you’re right, they’re indeed distinguishing newsstand comics just as they promised… which is great… but the problem is that the “Pedigree” data-field is — currently — not visible anywhere on the online census.
In other words, CGC is tagging all newsstand copies now (which is fantastic) but the data-field they’re using to do that tagging means the data is currently only visible to them internally; i.e. the problem is that the public cannot see how many newsstand 9.4’s / 9.6’s / 9.8’s etc. have been accumulated onto the census for the above books… that data exists in CGC’s internal database, but it is currently invisible to collectors.
That’s the bad news. But the good news is that apparently this situation is going to change! I wrote to CGC and inquired as to whether their use of the Pedigree field was just a temporary stop-gap measure, a mistake, or actually their intended roll-out of their new newsstand labeling, and I pointed out the problem with the data not being visible to the public on census. Here’s what they wrote me back:
“Good Afternoon, Benjamin, I wanted to update you regarding the Pedigree/Newsstand on the comic labels. The President of Grading replied the location of the Newsstand information on the label is intentional and we’re waiting on programming for it to populate on the census.”
So that’s welcome news indeed and I wanted to share it with you: while we can’t see the newsstand data online yet, apparently it is “on deck” for their programming team to implement at some time in the future.
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This blog is FANTASTIC.
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Hi everyone, our Newsstand CPV Price Guide keeps accumulating more and more hits each year (now over 9.1 million site-wide since we carved it out onto its own domain), and I think it has clearly by riding the wave of growing interest in newsstand comics broadly… The other day I was on eBay and I started typing “cgc 9.8” into the search box; you know how they like to give you helpful suggestions as a drop-down while you’re typing? I noticed that the top suggestions were for signed comics, followed by “cgc 9.8 newsstand” (above “cgc 9.8 first appearance”):
My fellow guide team collaborators collectively decided to roll up our sleeves and publish what is now our 7th price guide edition, for cover price variant newsstand comics of the 70’s 80’s and 90’s (type 1A Canadian Price Variants). It is online as of this morning.
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Hello Ben, I was unaware you made a newsstand price guide. I look forward to seeing it. Are you paying attention to the NS price variants Marvel did in late 1999/early 2000? I’ve found those to be harder to find than any comic from any era I’ve ever looked for. There are 36 of them, of which I’ve managed to purchase about 12. For one, I paid a ridiculous price considering the value of the direct (around $300 instead of about $5.)
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Good to hear from you Andrew, hope you’ve been well! We’re just covering the price variants of the 1970’s, 1980’s, and 1990’s at this point (Canadian Price Variants), in the guide.
Awesome that you’ve been able to hunt down some of those Marvel variants from 1999. My latest Modern Age newsstand pickups were Hulk Raging Thunder #1 (2008; 1st Lyra), and, also, a book that I only started looking for after you yourself had mentioned it to me, Supergirl #1 (2005). 🙂
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Hello Ben,
I would reply on the blog, but want to include some images and remember I can’t post those but you can. On the “hope you’ve been well” front, I dropped out of sight for two years because I was doing a lot of research related to a mysterious algorithm I found where it didn’t belong. I would have much preferred to have spent the time drawing comics, but I’m done now, so I am back to drawing comics.
Newsstands: I have narrowed my NS collecting goals considerably, based on the experience of collecting them. Without realizing it, my goal has been to discover which comics are the most difficult to find, and buy them. Everything else I bought was my effort to probe the market for available comics, to see which are the easiest to obtain vs. the most difficult.
The first NS I bought because it was an NS edition was Teen Titans #2. I later discovered this issue is almost as easy to find in NS as direct. Shortly after buying the Teen Titans, I bought several Marvels from the eighties. At the time, again, I didn’t realize that I was buying these because they were showing up more often in my searches for NS editions than much later issues. This is how I wound up with multiple copies of NS X-Men #266, ASM #298, 299, and 301, and other comics like them. Again, I later found these were much easier to find in NS than later issues.
Even so, the difficulty of finding an issue in NS varied from one issue to the next. ASM 300, for instance, is much easier to find in NS than any issue just before or after it. By “easier” I mean that the NS edition of issue 300 shows up 1.57x as often as the direct in less than 9.2 condition (making it more common than direct in that grade) and 1 every 15.38 issues in 9.2 or better condition, making it about 7% of the total supply. Issue 299, is twice as common in “low grade” (less than 9.2), but more rare in high grade (9.2 or better). The low grade ratio is 3.0 NS to every direct, and high grade is 1 NS for every 23.5 Direct. Issue 301 is even more difficult. In low grade, it’s about the same, but in high grade, it showed up once every 53 direct editions.
As soon as I realized that the really rare comics are after 2000, I started focusing on those. You may get a kick out of knowing that I made a point of getting all of the NS editions you wrote about in a post in this thread, including Hulk #1 (2008), Daredevil 21 (2013), Wolverine #67, and others. At first, I bought every NS edition Marvel or DC that I found, provided the price was reasonable. After doing this for a while, I started to get a sense of which comics were hard to find, super hard to find, and possible no-see ums.
A little context for this: on average, NS editions from the 1980’s made up about 1:3 comics in the early 80’s to 1:8 in the later 80’s. THat is when not controlling for condition. If condition is taken into account, high grade NS from the eighties is about 1:20. It varies a lot by issue, but that is my general expectation for comics from that period. I skipped the nineties because I don’t like most of those comics. Once we get to 2000, the supply seems to have dried up considerably. From this point on, most NS editions appear 1:30 copies, but quickly ratchet up to 1:50 to 1:80, to once a year, to never seen one.
A little while ago, I sampled eBay to see how common 1st printing DE were compared to 1st printing NS and subsequent printings. For the four issues I checked, the NS edition was not only much rarer than DE, but also much rarer than subsequent printings. Title Issue Printing Edition Year Month Ext. Units Ratio to 1st print eBay availability Ratio to direct Detective Comics 817 1st printing direct 2006 3 62,237 100.00% 72 100.00% Detective Comics 817 1st printing Newsstand 2006 3 ? 1 1.39% Detective Comics 817 2nd printing direct 2006 5 7,993 12.84% 11 15.28% Catwoman 53 1st printing direct 2006 3 28,470 100.00% 25 100.00% Catwoman 53 1st printing newsstand 2006 3 ? 0 0.00% Catwoman 53 2nd printing direct 2006 4 5,955 20.92% 12 48.00% Wonder Woman 219 1st printing direct 2005 8 53,467 100.00% 51 100.00% Wonder Woman 219 1st printing newsstand 2005 8 ? 1 1.96% Wonder Woman 219 2nd printing direct 2005 10 6,136 11.5% 22 43.1% Supergirl 1 1st printing direct 2005 12 123,361 100.00% 103 100.00% Supergirl 1 1st printing newsstand 2005 12 ? 0 0.00% Supergirl 1 2nd Printing direct 2006 1 3,256 2.64% 31 30.10% Supergirl 1 3rd printing direct 2006 2 1,920 1.56% 18 17.48%
Keep in mind that this table represents what I found on the day or two when I took this sample. Some of these NS editions had no copies available on that day. That does not mean they don’t exist. I have several of them myself. It just means that you can’t count on finding one when you look for it, unlike almost every other comic ever published. Multiple samples are required to find many of the post 2000 NS editions. It was this “multiple dive” effect that led me to determine rarity based on how many days it took to find a single example, as opposed to how many were available on a given day.
For the eighties, pretty much any issue you want is available on almost every day, but it may take some hunting to find it, particularly in a high grade. After 2000, you might have to look every day for a month or more before you see a copy in any grade.
With that in mind, I started getting focused on the Catwoman series. I initially wanted only the first four issues because they are drawn by Darwyn Cooke. However, I soon discovered they were very hard to find. To date, I have never seen an NS copy of Catwoman #1 or #3. Nor have I ever seen NS copies of most issues between 43-82 (end of series). I have seen two or three (overpriced) NS editions with Adam Hughes covers, but that’s it. Almost the entire series has remained a no see-um for the entire four years I’ve been watching. The highest issue number NS edition I have is 42.
I also wanted the Darwyn Cooke cover Jonah Hex issues. To date, I’ve never seen them, though I have seen other NS edition Jonah Hex comics (from the mid-2000’s). Swamp Thing is another no see-um, as are most low print run DCs. I have seen enough NS editions from those series to know they were made, but usually only one or two issues for titles that ran nearly 100 issues before cancellation. Where are the rest? I don’t know.
Catwoman #1 became a white whale for me, much to the amusement of a few boardies at CGC, who didn’t understand why anyone would want any comics from that title. I was going for rarity, but admit I like the art on the series as well. from Cooke, to Gulacy, and the guy in between. Pretty much all the female superhero or horror titles have the highest number of no see-ums.
For Marvel, I was going after Amazing Spider-Man #1 (1998) – 700. I got most of the issues before the numbering changed around #500. 500-600 are nearly complete, but 600-700 were really tough. I have multiple copies of all the two digit issue numbers, but mostly singles for about 80% of the run to 600, then 10% after that. Issue 700 wasn’t that hard to find, but the issues leading up to it are.
My favorites are the red Hulks. This is because they are rare enough that they are fun to find, but exist in sufficient quantities that they can be found. I had my doubts about some issues, like #9, but eventually found a copy. To get it, I had to spend $450 because it was part of a lot that included around 15 other NS Hulks.
After acquiring the late Marvels and DCs that I was looking for, I discovered the Marvel 1999-2000 NS price variants. Those are very hard to find. To date, I’ve managed to buy about 30% of the issues known to exist, but the rest I’ve never seen available for sale. They do exist, as proven with cover photos on CGC, but they are very rare. These comics have cover prices of either $1.99, $2.29, or $2.49. I’ve found the $2.29 issues to be the most elusive, though even the normal price of $1.99 is less common than the non-variants because the print runs seem to have been split with the CPVs instead of increased to accommodate them. I normally find these at the rate of about one every two or three months. The exception is that there is a seller with several of these (meaning, about 5), asking around $300 each for CGC 9.2-9.6 copies. I bought one, but had the others. They are priced high enough that they tend to remain available for a month or more, but are the only copies available.
After assuaging my curiosity regarding late NS comics, I decided to go for Canadians in the eighties and Nineties, and UK editions before that. In both cases, the rarity was increased to the level that hunting them was interesting, though the grades went down significantly. Most of these comics are in 7.0 or less, though I have found some nice ones, like some 9.2-9.6 Moore Swamp Things. My Silver Age UK editions tend to be in 4.0-6.0, but I don’t see anything higher than these. My oldest Canadian is Walt Disney’s Vacation Parade. It is missing about 16 pages found in the US edition, but is fun to have alongside the US edition, which I also have.
Attached is a page from the comic I am working on, as well as some of my favorite rarities. Note the Popular Digest V1 #1 from 1939. This isn’t a mistake. It is the first publication by Timely Publications, later Timely Comics. It ran two issues. Captain America V2 #1 (1940) picks up its numbering from this magazine.
You can see my new comic book pages https://www.paqart.com/comics-2 here. Best regards,
Andrew Paquette http://www.paqphoto.com http://www.paqart.com
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For others to see and enjoy (and get collecting ideas from — some awesome ideas in here!), below are courtesy of Andrew. Thanks for sharing these!
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Our 2024 guide has been featured in Gemstone’s Scoop!, at
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Hi, I’ve been revisting the articles on the pence variants. Then looking at the list of pence variants for Green Lantern, and when they started. Your list shows edition 101. Since seeing that I have looked at what is available on ebay. The reason my curiosity was peaked is that I have a cents version of 101 with a 12p ink stamp, but have since found a few (but less) copies of a 101 12p version on sale. Was 101 an experiment where the volume sent to the UK was part 35c versions to be ink stamped and some 12p versions. What is known about this period, and other DC comics that may have been issued in the same period?
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And a second question on variants and “routes to market”:
When the UK 12p version was produced for Green Lantern 101 onwards, I assume there were 3 versions: US bardcode , Canadian barcode, and UK barcode versions? (I have not considered Aus versions but please advise if you know)
Then when direct sales started, I think for Green Lantern from 133, there may have been 5 versions: US newstand (barcode), Canadian Newstand (barcode), UK still with barcode, US direct sales with logo, and possible a Canadian direct to comic shop version with a logo – is that correct?
From Green Lantern 134 it appears there may still have been 5 versions (if there was a separate Canadian direct to comic shop version), but from 134 the UK version dropped the barcode and had te logo/text box instead.
Your variant list for Green Lantern ends at 144. Then the version with the logo on was printed with both US and UK prices. There would still be newstand versions for US and Canada I think. That makes 3 versions, and maybe a 4th if there was a direct to comic shops version in Canada. Is this correct?
When we reach Green Lantern 157 the direct sales version has US/UK and Canada pricing on (which is why I have assumed that there might have been separate Canadian direct sales versions in my earlier questions), and at the same time still US and Canadian newstand versions – so 3 versions from this point. Is this correct?
A rather complicated set of questions, but I am interested in the printing strategy and how it changed.
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Hi Darryl, hope you’ve been well!
That’s interesting about the simultaneous existence of both 12p printed pence price variants for Green Lantern #101, as well as regular 35 cent copies with a 12p stamp on them. Perhaps Steve and/or Richard will have some thoughts to share on these, but I’ll weigh in too as best I can.
Without knowing who placed those stamps and when, I guess what I’d say is that if it indeed was the case that they were distributed initially in that manner, then I think it would be a solid argument to assume that some part of the market demand was filled with stamped copies. My mind immediately went to a recent conversation about a similar situation, albeit with important differences, about the Blip series from the 1980’s and their CPV copies: in addition to the price variants, regular newsstand copies within that series exist that have both US and CAN prices on them… which would lead us to believe that some part of the market demand must have been filled by such regular copies. Exactly how much sales volume that took away from the single-price CAN copies is an open question. But much like your Green Lantern example, it is very strong logic to argue that at least some sales must have been the “regular” copies (in your case the stamped ones) and thus in turn it could logically be argued that the printed price variant sales must have been “that amount lower” than “normal” for the issue, right? Exact quantities, who knows!
Regarding your question about Canadian Price Variant and AUS price variant copies of Green Lantern, I’ll answer the 2nd part first: we only know of Marvel AUS price variants at this point (if DC APVs are out there, they are still waiting to be discovered). As far as the CPVs, I believe you and I talked about this in the past, that before the “CPV window” opened, DC was charging the same cover price on newsstand copies across both the US and Canada, and after the CPV window closed they simply placed both prices on all copies and printed one batch. So CPVs only exist for that window of time from October 1982 to September 1988 when two single-price newsstand batches were produced (and the CPVs only exist among newsstand copies; no direct editions within DC that we’ve ever seen). Here are all of the Green Lantern CPVs that we have documented as existing: https://www.cpvpriceguide.com/2024/green-lantern/
Best,
– Ben
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Ben,
Thanks for your thoughts, and look forward to any additions. I’ve just spotted Green Lantern 107 with a 12p ink stamp too. Perhaps they were gauging the market to assess the value of a different print run.
Just working through my collection and I find I also have three comics with an Italian ink stamp, purchased during family holidays. I’ll email you the pictures for interest and comment.
regards
Darryl
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Hi Darryl, thanks for sharing the pictures with the Italian ink stamps, here they are below for others to see:
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Coming up on Youtube on April 18th at 8:30 PM Eastern:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_3NIdu5Zg
“Canadian price variant (CPV) experts, Doug Suplia, Greg Holland and Angelo Virone join Kevin to discuss the ins and outs of CPVs. My guests will explain the appeal of CPVs as well as where these sometimes hard-to-find comics fit in the current comic market and beyond!
Kevin Polidano is the Comic Doctor. He has been a comic book collector since the early 80s, and has been pressing comics professionally since 2011. Kevin is happy to answer any questions or discuss comics from your own collection that you are considering having pressed.“
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